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PLX AM-SFR wideband O2 module with HP Tuners Prolink

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As part of my objective to increase power in my Jeep I knew I would eventually have to use a wideband O2 sensor to aid in tuning. I wasn't really interested in a display in the jeep, I just wanted to log it directly into VCM Scanner. I looked at the options, 2 of them looked really appealing, Innovate's little unit and this one from PLX. PLX does offer a nice digital gauge with this device for a bit more. I don't feel that I need it for my purposes. One of the reason these units appealed to me is that they could simultaneously output a narrowband analog signal and I thought that would be great to put this in place of one of the 2 upstream sensors which is the ideal point to measure. Unfortunately Chrysler is always looking for ways to technically meet a regulation while being cheap bastards. Every O2 sensor has a heater inside and the manufacturer is required to monitor the heater on startup. Most do it by monitoring the heater circuit directly which requires an extra wire going to the ECU. But Chrysler do it indirectly by putting a different voltage through the O2 sensor circuit at startup and looking for the resistance to drop in a specified time. The little Innovate or PLX boxes aren't going to support that. With HP Tuners I could disable one of the 4 factory O2 sensors and plug this device into that bung. However, I live in an area with emission testing and I'd rather not have the headaches if they for some reason reference all 4 sensors. It'll be at least another 11 years before I could switch to classic car status and possibly get an exemption. While I'm sure this jeep will still be kicking then, I'm not confident they wont move the goalposts again. It used to be 25 years.

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So with that in mind, a new bung was needed. Normally you want a wideband O2 sensor up in the header, but there really isn't a good option with the new shorty headers I installed to put it in a place where you could actually install it without interference while reading from 3 cylinders in a bank. While in open loop the O2 reading is only slightly lower below pre-cats with tests showing generally .2% variance, which is close enough for what I want to do with it. I could have gotten this done while the cats were disconnected, but in the end I think the location it ended up in is one of the better options anyways. Talking with the shop I used, we selected the 10 O'clock position on the pipe between precats and main cat just after it bends to the back after clearing the oil pan. This is clear of all suspension movement and clears the oil pan without issue.

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I routed the sensor pigtail up along side the existing wire looms, then hooked up the rest of it's harness around the junction of the cam position sensor with the rest of the passenger side harness. Brought it up along side the bridge over the valve cover and will probably tuck it into the bridge if I ever pull that damn thing again. Then into the grommet in the firewall just driver's side of the motor. I had to cut a rectangle into this for the interior plug, but I'll plug that extra space with RTV or black caulk I suppose.

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After considering various options I decided to mount the PLX module up in the firewall behind the glove box, which worked well with it's power leads. I decided to hop on fuse 6 (rear wiper). I also pulled the radio out for good access to the wiring routing through the upper center console. There is plenty of length with the sensor lead as well and I needed to wrap about 2-3 feet of extra cable up behind the glove box. I wanted it to feed into a HPT Prolink on the drivers door frame and decided to use some old Cat 5 cable for the job. At least a ground and single analog signal wire are needed, but I decided to send both wideband (0-5V) and narrowband (0-1V) signals. The current on these cables is minimal and 24awg cable is fine for the task. The ground I used for both the sensor feed and PLX power off the posts sitting above the fuse box with an extra 8x1.25mm nut to secure a ground terminal. I routed the orange Cat 5 wire to the red HPT Prolink input Analog 1 for 0-5V wideband signal and the blue Cat 5 wire to the blue HPT Prolink Analog 2 for the 0-1V narrowband signal. Once plugged into a HPT MPVI2+ or 3, you've got the analog voltage feed available in the VCM scanner.


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With a long term goal of deciding whether to go further with engine modifications, in the short term I'm going to start trying to lean the fuel a bit at higher RPM wide open throttle and seeing if I can get a bit more out of it as currently configured. Low speed pre-detonation still has to be prevented and this engine doesn't have knock sensors built in, so continuing to stay very rich below 2200 rpm as delivered from the factory is probably staying in the cards.
 
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Great work - thank you for putting the time into sharing with us!
 
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#4 · (Edited)
They are aFe Power's 409 shorty twisted steel. I chose them because they use a gauge thicker tubing than others. They are also CARB legal. They come with 2 bungs for the factory upstream o2 sensors a shown. I couldn't find space in either collector for a third port for the wideband. The factory O2 sensors sit really deep in the collector further complicating options.

The Doug Thorley ones are almost identical but they mount in 2 pieces and are the superior 304 stainless. There have been complaints of their collectors cracking recently though.

One caution about aftermarket headers though. Their flanges are a bit thicker than the intake making the manifold washers work rather hard. FSM says 24ft-lbs on those bolts and nuts. It's tough to get a torque wrench on any of the bolts but I'd say confidenty I had to get these to 50-70 ft-lbs to seal the intake with the new gasket. The extra long 9/16" double box single ratchet Icon wrench was the star of that task, though the most forward bolt on the bottom requires you go in through the shock tower with all the extensions. If I do go further down the rabbit hole I will probably have a step machined into the flanges on the header so the washers sit level.
 
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Yep, that cross pipe seems like the best place. But of course, as you stated after the initial cats. But it will still give you readings, and looking for variances is probably the most important thing. This is normal, I did this and this is the change I got. I am sure you will do this, but driving if for a bit to capture normal reading is what I would do. Then start making the changes and see what happens.

great stuff.
 
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Exactly! For now I'm just trying to get a good baseline drives.

I don't think most people will find this sensor useful with the stock setup and simple bolt on mods like a cold air intake and exhaust and even the headers and higher ratio roller rockers I've installed. It is for tuning changes that significantly change airflow (stroker/cam/turbo) and/or fuel injectors. I'm going to be driving the jeep as is the rest of the year before deciding whether I go further chasing power. I wanted to be able to tune it myself and not be at the mercy of a locked tuned by a remote tuner and this is a part of that toolkit. I've been happy with the improvement so far and I'm not trying to build a racecar. More natural driving through summer and fall will tell me if I've done enough.

I previously decreased the WOT fuel enrichment delay from 11.97 to 1.97 seconds. The closed loop management is staying tight on stoic AFR as you'd expect. I'm seeing that enrichment in the feed in the log I've grabbed so far as voltage drops from stoic stable 2.3-2.4V (stoic 14.7 at 2.35V) to 1.4V (rich ~13) as injector pulse width increases from 13-14 ms to 16 ms at WOT.

The O2 grids in these screenshots are the factory narrowband sensors just so there isn't confusion about the data. I also need to look at the narrowband PLX signal. It was showing 0-1V on the first start up, but I seem to have some voltage bleeding over here for some reason.
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When I boosted our former LJ, I had a dyno run made before and after. Unfortunately we could never hit peak boost since the PCM apparently had a hard speed limit (mph) set, I think the engine started to cut out at ~90 mph or so. Can your tuner make a deep dive into the PCM to change a variable like RPM/MPH limits?

Here's the uTube video of the boosted dyno run:
 
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It can indeed. The factory limit is set at 92 mph. The first 2 things I did were to turn off the manual shift indicator light and bump the limiter to 99 mph and I suppose you could increase it to like 155 mph.

There are also enough tuners familiar with the JTEC+ 4.0 with superchargers and turbos now with this software that the current owner could probably refine that tune further.
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