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Hey everyone. I'm gathering parts to lift my LJ & have questions about the shovel, or getting rid of it. I am NOT running a BL or MML, nor do I intend to. Are there any tummy tucks out there that do NOT raise the driveline? I would like to keep factory angles if @ all possible. I'll be running a rear CV driveshaft if that matters @ all. I'm not familiar w/ the trans mount & don't even know if this is possible (tt w/o raising).

IF this is not possible, I *might* be willing to install a TT if I can raise the motor the same amount (keeping things in line).

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Not to be rude here, but that's the entire idea with a TT. They will all lift the t-case to increase belly clearance, and as a result, elevate your drivelines. Depending on which style you to with will depend on how much clearance you get, how far up your driveline is raised and how much dimpling of the tub-or cutting-will be required to lift without the BL in place. You COULD install a MML with a bit of work to fit everything under the hood to retain angles and such with the TT, but would also require a good tub dimple underneath, or cut out and weld in a new tunnel under there to support it. All depends on how high up you want to go with it. Many of the TT's utilize new lower profile trans mounts so you're at a wash there.

If you don't want to raise the drivelines (keep in mind your lift is going to do this as well all in itself) with a TT, then you could just add a simple engine skid and bolt that on to your existing shovel. While you won't gain any more driveline clearance or belly clearance, you will have a full engine skid to help eliminate/reduce the chance of getting hung up on your shovel. Just another idea. I've seen this many times, and while they still get hung up due to low clearance, they're not "plowing" with the shovel anymore...

A BL/BMML is a very effective, very easy way to accomplish many things-from more clearance/ease of install for TT's, gas skids, etc. to slightly taller tire without the need for more suspension. I was totally against them at first, like you, but soon put on a JKS 1.25" BL. Don't even notice it's there and it's allowed fitment of many other items. It's a very cheap, very effective way of getting things done. If you take the time to paint rear fender area with some black rustoleum, raise your bumpers, etc., you won't even notice it's there. I have NOT painted my fender area or raised the front bumper but my rear is raised for more clearance. Doesn't bother me in the least.

Best of Luck,

Mike
 

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rmeredit,

You can purchase a tt such as rokmen and install spacers to lower it down enough so it does not hit the body. If your vehicle is still stock, as in no lift, you can easily install a tt that gains 2 inches and your front/rear driveshaft will still work.
 

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Under Cover Fab has a few versions of their skid. One is for no body lift. I believe it nets about 1.5" over stock. Not sure if it actually raises the transmission though.
 

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gregert12 said:
rmeredit,

You can purchase a tt such as rokmen and install spacers to lower it down enough so it does not hit the body. If your vehicle is still stock, as in no lift, you can easily install a tt that gains 2 inches and your front/rear driveshaft will still work.

This is true as well. I hadn't considered it as it's counter-productive to what you are trying to accomplish with the TT, but it will work.

Best of Luck,

Mike
 

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The top-shelf list of related parts to install a high clearance skid, at least on a TJ is as follows:
1. High clearance skid, with bracket for rubi air pumps.
2. Motor mount lift to get tailshaft angle down
3. 1" body lift to give room for transfer case to move up, high clearance gas skids, cooling fan, etc.
4. Double cardan (CV) rear driveshaft
5. Adjustable rear upper arms for dialing in driveshaft angle
6. Rear trackbar bracket made for CV. JKS makes a bracket/adj. trackbar combo that is nice.
7. Deal with lower rear shock mounts that will contact spring perchs during axle droop.
8. Bracket to move TC shifter linkage mount off body tub and onto TC. See Skyjacker, Novak, AA.
9. 1" riser for steering shaft bracket. See MORE.
 

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The shovel is called that because of how the front/rear edges point down. Installing a TT without raising the driveline will still gain 1" and give a smooth surface to slide over. most TT on the market will raise the TC but you can lower them with spacers and still gain the advantages over the shovel. There is some room between the tub and the TC so you can raise the TC a bit and still not need a MML or BL. be careful when buying a skid, the 241 TC in the rubi is bigger than the 231 in the non rubi TJs so you may need more spacers than you think.
 

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SRFNFLY227 said:
Under Cover Fab has a few versions of their skid. One is for no body lift. I believe it nets about 1.5" over stock. Not sure if it actually raises the transmission though.
This is true...and if you used Under Cover FAb's LoPro transmission mount (which lowers the t-case an inch back down into the skid),your net driveline lift would only be about a half inch.
 
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