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Now that I'm getting more familiar with our LJ, I noticed at full steering lock we get some rubbing on the lower control arms. I've done enough trails to want the ability to make as tight a turn as possible so I suppose I need to buy some wheel spacers. So more noobi questions :wink:

Any downside to using spacers?
What size do I need - 1.25"?
Do you usually use a spacer on all wheels, or just the fronts to solve a rubbing issue?

Thanks!!
 

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Or just insert a washer or two under the steering stop bolts. Or just be aware of it and back off the steering when the tires start rubbing (what I do because it's cheapest and easiest).
 

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adjust your steering stop with a few washers.

i recall using 3 washers on each side

loss of turning on a trail was not a big deal.
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I have mixed emotions on spacers. I don't particularly LIKE them being there and would rather not have them, but I do like my Moab rims and stance so as I'm not planning on swapping axles yet or buying new rims, and want the tightest turning possible on my LJ, I run them. That said, I have 74-75K on my rig now and the great majority of that has been with Spydertrax 1.25" spacers. With the 5" BS on the Moabs, that brings me to the equivalent of 3.75" bs which is what was needed for my narrow 255's to clear the LCA's, swaybar and spring perch in the rear. What a lot of folks don't seem to understand is that sitting on level ground and being able to clear at full lock does not equate to ENOUGH clearance to not rub. Cross it up good and you'll likely rub. Most I've seen do, even the ones that folks say "no, no rubbing", when there's a clear paint rub/scuff mark on all parts in question.

With the mileage on my Spydertrax spacers, I have to report absolutely ZERO issues with them in any way. I do check torque on them every tire rotation but after using red loctite on them, have not had a single nut need re-torqued yet. I recently removed them and cleaned them up when I had to tear my front end apart to freshen it up and again, no issues found or noted. If you search, you'll find a decent split between those that run spacers with a love/hate relationship. Many will say they're great, many will say they suck, are dangerous and you'll die running them. I'm of the opinion that they're just fine and should provide years of trouble free worry-free use as long as you maintain them properly. By that I mean if you take care of your rig, it will take care of you.

If you think you need them, I'd recommend calling David and ordering two sets-one for front and one for rear. When you install them, clean the hub face thoroughly and be absolutely certain to remove any of the factory little spring washers that may still be on the lug studs. The PO may have already removed them so don't be surprised if they're gone already. They were used at the factory for assembly and serve no other purpose so discard them if they're there. With everything cleaned and the studs free as well, install your spacers and install lug nuts using red loctite and torque to 100 ft/lbs. Re-check torque again after a hundred miles or so then again at every tire rotation. This method has worked well for me on my rig and many other rigs I've helped install them on.

Best of Luck,

Mike
 

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Another spacer option I have considered is the 15mm (.6") washer style spacer from H&R springs. It is also a hubcentric design like the spidertrax but is narrower and uses the same lugs as the wheels so there is not a second set of lugs to maintain. This spacer would give the Moabs 4.4" backspacing. Which I thought sounded about right for 285/75/16 or 255/85/16. I am a bit surprised to hear 05TJLWBRUBY say he felt he needed the whole width of the spidertrax. Take note thought that these spacers will require you to replace you studs with the included longer studs.

For those interested in checking them out they are called H&R trak+

http://www.trakplus.com/
 

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X3 on washers...I use 3 on each side. Only time I need to maybe backup is on 180 degree very tight switchbacks or within lots of trees. But even then it's reverse once or twice, then on my way. Save the hassle and the greenbacks...Just sayin' :)
 

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Adjusting your steering stops is not a good idea. Go with a set of Spidetrax spacers and be done with it.

You will like not rubbing your control arms, the extra track width and stable stance, and the ability to use your steering to the fullest extent.

I agree with Mike. Call David at Northridge4x4 and order a set of Spidetrax spacers. :D
 

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To space or not to space...

I've done a couple of five point 180 turns on tight trails and I really hate the thought of reducing my turning radius. However, I have to weigh that against increased points of failure thanks to your opinions. Thanks so much guys!
 

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I've been running SpyderTrax spacers for 6 years, absolutely no problems. I did spend some time with a torque wrench and some extra Red Loctite to make sure they were on right and would never loosen in use.

The 1.25" on each side from the spacers and the extra tire width make my Jeep 5" wider than stock. That restores most of the cornering ability lost by the lift and larger tires. Nor did I gain any turning radius, my steering stops are not changed.
 

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If it were legal for me to use spacers to keep the moabs with the wider tires, I would have. Until I move, I put a single washer under each steering stop. So you will be forced to do a two point turn, that does not mater since there will always be obstacles in the way (trees, rocks, people.)
 

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This would be an extreme solution just for turning radius, but I ended up needing LCAs to kill off DW, so I bought a set of Curries. Now my 285s on Moabs go lock to lock without rubbing - no spacers or washers. Just an FYI.
 

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If it were legal for me to use spacers to keep the moabs with the wider tires, I would have.
All of our vehicles are registered in Florida and we have.. wait for it... no state vehicle inspections. Of course you can still be stopped and inspected, but I'm always a very aware driver and try hard to never be an opportunity for a bored officer (no, really.)

I'm pretty sure I'll go the spacer route. Thanks again for the help guys!
 

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Phillip said:
Adjusting your steering stops is not a good idea. Go with a set of Spidetrax spacers and be done with it.

You will like not rubbing your control arms, the extra track width and stable stance, and the ability to use your steering to the fullest extent.

I agree with Mike. Call David at Northridge4x4 and order a set of Spidertrax spacers. :D
X2 on the spacers!! I have run them for decades and have yet to see one verified first person account where he/she followed the install directions and they caused a catastrophic failure of vehicle parts or some horrendous multiple vehicle accident.

I am not a fan of 8 point turns on some switch back turns near Moab with nothing below to stop me like a tree or whatever. For some reason, I have no problem rappelling out of a UH-60 to cut some poor sucker's pot patch at 150' but, make me make a couple 2 or more point turns at Maob and it is 'Depends" time!

I just redid all my rotors, pads and parking brake shoes this weekend. The spacers didn't give me a regret one time.
 
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