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question for painters-Color change with pearl or metalflake?

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I have a question for the painters out there. I didn't end up with the black donor I thought I would for my next build, but I may end up with a yellow one. I'm not hot on the color../at all, but it might happen anyway.

For those that have experience with painting, is it possible to change the color gradient of the jeep by shooting the whole thing with clear mixed with a metal flake, or a pearl?
Some sites like www.paintwithpearl.com sells flake and pearls to be applied over base coats, I was wondering if something like that would be possible, or if I'm misinformed on that process altogether. I'm just interested in inexpensive color change options since I have a gallon of clear, and the pearls and flakes are cheap on that site--figuring maybe an orange or silver or copper pearl would be more tolerable--if that is at all possible without a total repaint--kind of using the yellow as the base coat color and going from there

I guess this is a general question on how pearls and flakes work.

For example, the pic below shows a wood drum shot with gold pearl. Would painting a pearl over an existing paint job do the same thing as far as changing color? Is the process really any easier than just repainting the whole darn thing?

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Yellow's and white's are the best ground coats and the most used for pearls, including a lot of airbrush work/graphics. So no, you are not misinformed, but....

To achieve the true effect of using pearls a person needs to use a ground coat (yellow) followed by a mid coat (red) followed by the top coat (pearls) and then cleared. This example would produce candy rootbeer brown. If the correct shade of red was sprayed and the correct amount, more or less could kill the effect. In reality the possibilities are endless. The final effect is what the painter wants to achieve. Pearls and flakes are fun.

Back to your question. Can you pearl or flake on top of the clear that's covering yellow. Sure can. Will the effect be the same as my example? Probably not, but that doesn't matter.

I can take 3 different red pearls and some gold and white pearls and create on your yellow jeep a cool overall color without actually seeing yellow.

Google chysler paint code PV6. It's a rusty looking color, has some pearl in it and I think it would really pop on top of yellow.

To hide the yellow but use it's hue using only pearls is going to require a lot of pearl. IMO not cost effective.

What color would you like to have? If I knew a general color I could point you in the right direction as far as materials go.

A couple of coats of a red pearl which would have mostly a base clear mixed in won't really do much other the give the yellow a sparkly effect.

I think if you are actually wanting the yellow to go away you will have to repaint with a midcoat and if you want a pearl effect then you can topcoat. But before you toss any ideals out let me know a general color you want and if I have to I'll some some test panels here and post the pics to show how the puzzle works. I have several panels I need to get done for another member so I'll just do them all at once.
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Thanks for the reply and info Okies! That chryselr paint code you provided is darn near my dream color-victory nuclear sunset

I had read that orange, gold, or green pearls work well with a yellow base coat. I like all those colors. I would prefer something close to the pv6 if possible, but would be very happy with a gold or copperish hue-as long as its not school bus yellow, it would be acceptable (no disrespect to the yellow jeepers out there).

I even saw some orange pearl (I'm not sure what the base color is though but I'll put a picture up).

I also have a representative pic of a candy orange over silver base. This is what led me to believe that the base color was not as important--since I don't see any silver at all in the model car that is painted (pic below).

I'm not concerned with an over the top effect since I will wheel this thing like any other, but figured this might be an avenue to get a color I could tolerate.

If you do end up posting some example panels, I would be eternally grateful for the lesson in removing the mystery of how these products work, and what the before and afters are.



top pic--orange pearl
bottom 2 pics --pv6
3rd pic-orange candy over silver (what led me to believe the base color goes bye bye when using these products)

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candy orange over silver base--I don't see the silver at all which is what confused me about the whole process

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Had to read that a couple times...kept wanting to say Orange "Peel". :eek:
Silver ground coat is a complete different monster. Talk about mind boggling.

With yellow base (no clear) laying in the pearls creates some cool things. Putting pearls on top of clear that covers the yellow creates a different effect but still very much doable.

I'll do a panel showing great detail on how these specific colors work together. It's very fascinating.

PVG is also a cool color that has even more pearl in it. Using these colors over silver, white and yellow would create a jaw dropping effect.
After thinking about this all day I came up with an ideal. How about a detailed pictorial how to custom paint thread?

I think I can explain in laymen terms with the help of pics on how I do different types of custom paint. Keep in mind that I use custom lightly. Meaning paint work that is not OEM. Also each painter has their own technique. Mine will differ from others. With the difference doesn't mean right or wrong.

I'm thinking this will help the DIY crowd. Naturally I'll have to recruit some help and lucky for us we have Elwarpo. I think with his insight on the chemical aspect and my passion for applying it we might be able to create to unknown talent.

I can cover everything, OEM, airbrushing, old school flames, true/real fire, flaking, pearl effects, real wood graining, lettering and many other unique things. I will also cover paint guns and airbrushes and stencils. Stencils alone can take pages to cover due to the unlimited resources for stencils that cost nothing to hundreds. Good stuff.

Let me know if you all think this will be an interesting subject.
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I am fascinated but, I'll be paying someone like you to do it. Just doesn't seem to be something that I will be needing to be done to my Rubi.
I think that would be awesome. I would love the opportunity to remove the mystery from some of these materials, learn how they work, and build the confidence to try them. Even if most of us won't use it on our rigs, I'm sure there's a good majority of us with other toys or vehicles that may be worthy of trying these out on. I myself have always wanted to learn, and am always up for a challenge. I'd even be willing to donate towards your material cost since you'd be performing quite an educational service. I'm looking forward to it!
Very interested in the painting info, used to paint bomb trailers but that was yellow or green and high quality was not a requirement.

Right now I have factory paint and the primer is thicker than the color and clear coat over a good part of the Jeep.

john
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moscar45 said:
I think that would be awesome. I would love the opportunity to remove the mystery from some of these materials, learn how they work, and build the confidence to try them. Even if most of us won't use it on our rigs, I'm sure there's a good majority of us with other toys or vehicles that may be worthy of trying these out on. I myself have always wanted to learn, and am always up for a challenge. I'd even be willing to donate towards your material cost since you'd be performing quite an educational service. I'm looking forward to it!
The key to pearls is not put too much in. The pearl pigment (usually mica with titanium or iron oxides coated on them) changes color as the light angle changes, giving a flip flop effect. Using too much pearl pigment in a coating means the sparkle and color flop will be constant. If you use way too much, the pigment will not orient properly and the effect will be lost. Ideally you want some of the background color to come through and combine with the pearl pigment to give the effect you want. I personally like a black background with holographic pigments so as the viewing angle changes the color changes different colors, and the black enhances the depth of color. I used to formulate bicycle paints for high end bikes, and got to play with all sorts of effects.
I've have some of that paint. The effect is something not seen everyday. I have a little left over from a pint. The pint a year ago cost me around 800.00. It's probably closer to a grand today. BTW I keep that paint in the safe. Not so much afraid someone will steel it but more so to prevent accidental use. :laugh:

My biggest problem is not knowing how this stuff is made and how it works chemically. What I haven't learn sitting in a class room has been self taught by trial and error. In the 20+ yrs I've learned a lot. :rotflmao:

For me it's fun taking my left over paint from varies projects, mixing it up and put it to metal just to see what happens. I might not be able to tell someone if it will work but I can tell someone what won't work. :laugh:

I'll start a new thread today and kick it off with my latest project I had recently finished. Luckily I thought ahead, got plenty of pics.
Okies said:
After thinking about this all day I came up with an ideal. How about a detailed pictorial how to custom paint thread?

I think I can explain in laymen terms with the help of pics on how I do different types of custom paint. Keep in mind that I use custom lightly. Meaning paint work that is not OEM. Also each painter has their own technique. Mine will differ from others. With the difference doesn't mean right or wrong.

I'm thinking this will help the DIY crowd. Naturally I'll have to recruit some help and lucky for us we have Elwarpo. I think with his insight on the chemical aspect and my passion for applying it we might be able to create to unknown talent.

I can cover everything, OEM, airbrushing, old school flames, true/real fire, flaking, pearl effects, real wood graining, lettering and many other unique things. I will also cover paint guns and airbrushes and stencils. Stencils alone can take pages to cover due to the unlimited resources for stencils that cost nothing to hundreds. Good stuff.

Let me know if you all think this will be an interesting subject.
I'd love to read it. Sounds like a lot of work on your end but will certainly be a valuable asset when you're finished.
Hey elwarpo, I was supervisor /color development /painter at a high end bicycle factory. I'll bet we share some mutual aquaintances as it is a small circle.
To the poster, you're in good hands on this forum with okies and elwarpo, however, sounds like you should just pick the color you like and repaint it. You'll jump through a lot of hoops to end up with a variation of your original color.
I'm hung up here. My only access to the web is through my iPhone and this phone along with our forums software I can't directly upload pics. I have a PB account but have learned yesterday that uploading pics there isn't going to work for me. I need to be able to edit, crop, rotate and so on and right now doesn't look like I can do that.

I've spent any free time I've had today looking for iPhone apps to upload pics directly. I've found a few apps that I will send a link to Mac and see if we can do something about this.

If I have to upload ALL these pics to PB this is going to take forever. My time is limited and not having 3G is bad enough but to bounce pics all over just to post here is too time consuming and timing is everything when I start on this subject.
Okay, I got a thread up and going. It'll be kinda slow going with all the pics I have.

Hang in there with me. I've got lots to cover. I'll be taking special request later for specifics colors or what have ya.

If I'm not covering something good enough, post up and I'll back up to get it covered.

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Sweet! thanks Okies, this is going to be great
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