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I have been buying Mobil One High Mileage 10w-30 with the ACEA A3/B3 approval on the containers for several years at my local WalMarts. Containers I have seen in the last few weeks, howerver, no longer list the ACEA approvals. Any ideas what's up with that?

Several other Mobil One products still have the A1/B1 and/or A5/B5, which I will probably use if the High Mileage products no longer have ACEA approvals.

I have an email question in to Mobil, but haven't heard back yet.
 

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Picked up a gallon plus one quart at Walmart Christmas week and it had the designation. I've seen a couple other thread re: this on another forum though.
 

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That is not uncommon, for some reason especially with Wal-Mart... no clue why. I have "occasionally but rare" seen this same issue at actual auto part stores. I get all of mine at an actual auto part store and even then I read each and every bottle (quarts). In my experience, the issue you've ran accross I see happen more often with the gallon jugs versus the quarts.
 

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I bought some last week. The 5 quart jugs of MH 10/30 at the Walmarts around here all have new/different packaging and no ACEA. Autozone (here) has the 5 quart jugs in the old style packaging and still with ACEA.

No idea what it will be like next time I go to buy it.

- DAA
 

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I posted this before, understandably some will only believe it if they see it labeled on the bottle, but here is what Mobil says:

-----Original Message-----
From: Mobilproducts [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: #252533-US(English) - Lubricants: for Cars and Trucks

They responded:

The Mobil 1 High mileage 10W30 is the same at walmart. Mobil1 High
Mileage 10W 30 is ACEA A3/B3,A3/B4


I wrote:
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> Your typical Mobil1 High Mileage 10W30 oil is clearly labeled as ACEA A3/B3 certified.
> I've noticed the identical oil I purchase at Wal-Mart lacks this certification on the label.
> Is the Wal-Mart oil a different formula?
> Is the Wal-Mart oil ACEA A3/B3 certified?
 

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SlickAl said:
I posted this before, understandably some will only believe it if they see it labeled on the bottle, but here is what Mobil says:..................
I remember your post and their response. Just something happens when you get on the back side of the "double nickel" that makes idiots like me want to see it.
 

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have we found any other oils with the a3 cert ???? just spent 55 bux for 6 qt of m1 :bs:
 

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have we found any other oils with the a3 cert ???? just spent 55 bux for 6 qt of m1 :bs:
WM usually has 5 qt jugs for $25 or less.

Also check the auto parts stores' sales. I usually can get 5 qts M1 HM and a M1 filter for $30 or so.
 

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I have found that mobil 1 HM 10W40 is also ACEA A3 labeled, BUT it follows the same walmart issue. some bottles are labeled ACEA A3 and some arent
 

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I've been trying to keep up with this myself. Yesterday I stopped at 3 autoparts stores to check if any oils were ACEA A3 certified.

Walmart: M1 HM 10w30 not certified in any size, but M1 HM 10w40 on shelf 1 was ACEA certified, on shelf 2 (no joke) was not certified.
O'Reilly: M1 HM 10w30 1q, certified but $8
Advance Auto: M1 HM 10w30 1q , not certified

Short of the Mobil 1 oils, I haven't seen any that are A3. If it can be ordered online I'd like to know. I suspect it will be increasingly hard to find the certification.
 

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As I indicated in the original post here, I sent an email inquiry to Mobil One asking about ACEA certification of the HM products:


From: Mobilproducts [[email protected]]

> Yes they do meet the ACEA A3/B3 04, A3/B4 04 specifications,. For the
> full range of product claims please refer to the PDS on the web site.
>
> Regards
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> -MJ

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> On 1/10/2011 11:52 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Does Mobil One High Mileage 10w-30 still carry the ACEA A3/B3
>> approval as
> of January 2011? Containers I have seen recently in stores no longer
> have the ACEA rating on the bottle or jug. Other Mobil One products
> appear to still have the ACEA approvals listed on the container, but
> not the High Mileage products. Do the High Mileage products no longer
> meet the ACEA specifications?
 

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Yeah, but... Even though "they said" it is... It doesn't have to be, if it's not on the container. Product specs change all the time. Customer service and tech support reps that typically answer emails at large companies aren't a particularly trustworthy source, either, in my opinion (think call center...).

Not saying it isn't. Heck, it probably is. But, if it's not on the container, it doesn't have to be, so maybe it's not, and I don't trust the folks who answer customer emails to actually know for sure, one way or the other.

To play devils advocate for a moment - what possible reason could there be for not including the ACEA certs on a label, if indeed the product being labeled meets those specs? I mean, why have different types of packaging and labeling for one product in the first place? It's more expensive to maintain and stock two labels and containers, than it is to have only one. So why are they different to begin with and since there are different labels why does one get used instead of the other? Maybe, because some production locations are using slightly different formulations? As one who has worked in a mass production facility providing OEM labeled product for dozens of separate brand name companies, I know for a fact that exactly this occurs frequently in many industries.

So, since the person who answered the email said it's all ACEA, it probably is. But just to be safe, I prefer to see it on the container :) .

- DAA
 

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Oh, and I just checked for the helluvit, because it smelled fishy...

Here is the company that actually answered your email (the email address it came from). As I expected, that reply came from a third party contract call center, not even from an actual Mobil employee. Let alone one that migh have actually had a clue.

Still, very well could be accurate info that they provided. I certainly can't say it isn't. But, I can say, my considerable experience in this kind of stuff makes me more than just a little bit suspicious that perhaps the answer was pulled out of an orifice, or even partially fabricated. And in any case, I still have to wonder why the two different packages if it really all meets ACEA.

But, I might be sniffing too much glue this week and being overly paranoid :laugh: .

Even after I come down off the glue, I'm still gonna want to see the certs on the container though :lildevil: .

- DAA
 

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One recent issue to note with the Mobil 1 High Mileage oils is that at some point within the last 18 months they changed the formulation to include lesser amounts of Phosphate and Zinc than it previously contained. It now has only 900 and 1000 ppm respectively.

Based on this change, I recently chose to switch to Mobil 1 5w40 Turbo Diesel oil which includes 1100 and 1200 ppm of Phosphate and Zinc. If there was a choice, I'd rather use a 30w oil, but I believe the additives in the TDT are outweigh the difference in weight.
In addition to having the highest rating for diesel engines, the Mobil 1 TDT 5w-40 is also rated as an SM approved oil suitable for gasoline engines.
 

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DAA said:
Oh, and I just checked for the helluvit, because it smelled fishy...

Here is the company that actually answered your email (the email address it came from). As I expected, that reply came from a third party contract call center, not even from an actual Mobil employee. Let alone one that migh have actually had a clue.


- DAA
I hear ya on the contract call center...if I had talked to him on the phone he might have had a Calcutta or Bombay accent.

But...the Product Data Sheet he referred me to lists the appropriate ACEA certification, dated 11/2010.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/ ... e_Oil.aspx

FWIW...
 

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I just bought the M1 10W-30 HM 5+ qt jug at AutoZone, it has the following:

ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
API SL/CF

It's on sale with a M1 filter for 30 bucks.
 
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