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I have a laser coming, and I also bought that vortex strikefire 2 red/green dot. I'm not sure if the vortex has eye relief. I have not read the paperwork yet.
The Strikefire is a supposed to be a very decent optic for the money, plus you can't beat Vortex's lifetime warranty (unlimited at that.)
 

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I am not a scope or red dot user, and I have a question on the reticle. It has lines. I have been reading and think I understand the markings. All the examples are using 100 yds as zero, then the next line 200, and so on. What if I zero my scope in a 50 yds, would the increments on the lines be 50 yds? 50, 100, 150, and so on.
I've always used iron sights, so I just raised or lowered the front sight a bit to hit where I want, and the same with windage.
 

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That depends on the ammo (and the reticle calibration) because each one has different trajectories. As an example - If I sight a rifle in at 50 yards, I'll have to raise the gun up for 100 yards - how much depends again on the ammo and reticle.

An interesting note is if you zero in at 50 yards there will be another 'zero' at some further distance. The bullet will travel in an arc passing though the same point at different distances.

Vortex has some very informative uTube tutorials that are worth a look, there's also an abundance of others explaining this topic. As a side note - I'm a somewhat advanced beginner so there's a bunch I don't thoroughly understand so I'm not a qualified tutor.
 

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I received the laser sight this morning. I'll put it on along with the Vortex. I have not installed any of it, since I don't know when I will go to a range. The closest one is about twenty miles away. Oh, the good ole days when I could walk out the back door and shoot. Civilization is not all it's cracked up to be.
 

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I wanted to do some shooting this week but the weather is terrible, we are under a winter storm warning for an ice storm. I ran two magazines through my suppressed AP5-P yesterday (on our place) and the German magazine worked perfectly but the Turkish magazine wouldn't feed the last two or three rounds. I've long suspected the magazine spring in those is inferior to the German spring. Ironically I can't find German springs for a 30 round magazines, they are all sold out. Who would have thought... :p

My FFL is closed on Mondays so he wasn't available to receive my 1911 A1 pistol today. Hopefully UPS will attempt delivery tomorrow.
 

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I wanted to do some shooting this week but the weather is terrible, we are under a winter storm warning for an ice storm. I ran two magazines through my suppressed AP5-P yesterday (on our place) and the German magazine worked perfectly but the Turkish magazine wouldn't feed the last two or three rounds. I've long suspected the magazine spring in those is inferior to the German spring. Ironically I can't find German springs for a 30 round magazines, they are all sold out. Who would have thought... :p

My FFL is closed on Mondays so he wasn't available to receive my 1911 A1 pistol today. Hopefully UPS will attempt delivery tomorrow.
In the past when I had a feed problem, I removed the spring and gave it a bit of a stretch, they worked fine afterward, long term working, who knows. The local USPS had a package of mine in hand this morning, but then it was sent to Pascagoula, Ms. Hopefully I will receive it tomorrow.
 

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I am not a scope or red dot user, and I have a question on the reticle. It has lines. I have been reading and think I understand the markings. All the examples are using 100 yds as zero, then the next line 200, and so on. What if I zero my scope in a 50 yds, would the increments on the lines be 50 yds? 50, 100, 150, and so on.
I've always used iron sights, so I just raised or lowered the front sight a bit to hit where I want, and the same with windage.
Those lines depend on the optic. You should have directions that came with it, to explain how they work, and they may actually help you determine range.

The 50 yard Zero seems to be the most common and useful zero for 55gr 5.56/223 ammo
I use targets from

with a Bore Scope at 10 yards to get me close enough to zero before I start using ammo.

The theory is the following. [FYI Aim point = red dot, cross hair, iron sights etc.]

At 10 yards, the bullet will impact 1.9" below the aim point.
At 50 yards, the bullet will impact at the aim point.
At 100 yards, the bullet will impact 1.5-1.9" ABOVE the aim point.
At 200 yards, the bullet will impact at the aim point

Here is a comparisons of a 25, 50 and 100 yard zero.
Slope Rectangle Line Plot Font


Granted a lot of this is based on shooting from a 16" barrel, so you will have to adjust a little bit due to the fact that you have a shorter barrel, but the nice thing is, you should no more than 2" variation from 0-200 yards, so you really don't need to think about it
 

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I think I may mount the laser and red/green dot after I get home from riding if I still feel energetic.
My mlok clamps keep getting further away from me. USPS had them in Mobile, Al, then sent them to Pascagoula, Ms, and they have sent them to Gulfport, Ms. Gulfport is getting close to Louisiana.
I see a lot of people mount their laser on the front of their front stock. It seems to me it would be better protected further back. I have watched a couple of YouTube vids, but they seem focused on where to mount it i.e. left or right side of front stock or top and bottom, giving their pros and cons depending on where they have their laser mounted. I am in the top and bottom camp., likely mount mine on top, if it does not interfere with the dot scope, then it would be on the bottom, but having said that, seeing what the usage of my firearm is to be used for threats within 50 yards, and at night, and not long range, I may consider side mounting.
What do you all think on the lasers?
 

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I don't have a laser on long (or short LOL) guns but I see them mounted on the top rail or even on top of the optic. Lasers are mostly useless outside during the day - even the expensive green models. I can see the dot in shadows as long as it's not too far away, about 5 yards.
 

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I don't have a laser on long (or short LOL) guns but I see them mounted on the top rail or even on top of the optic. Lasers are mostly useless outside during the day - even the expensive green models. I can see the dot in shadows as long as it's not too far away, about 5 yards.
I agree with day use, the dot scope will be there.
 

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More parts were supposed to be here today from the government controlled postal service. I am getting a couple of small parts, but not the buffer tube, hopefully this pistol buffer tube is a 1/2 inch shorter, otherwise I will have to order another, luckily they are not overly expensive. As it stands at the moment, the overall length of the pistol cannot be over 26 inches, mine is 26 1/4 inches.
 

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This version of a hand stop has to go, and it is either going to be laser or red dot, not enough real estate. I see they have offset, and raised mounts, but I do not want a bunch of stuff sticking out which could get snagged in stuff. It's a learning process with this pistol.
Update: I found an offset mount that I may like for the laser.
The more I handle this pistol, the more I like it. I pity the squirrel that gets in front of this.
 
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