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The trick is to only barter with people you trust, any ammo, not just your can come back to haunt you. It is also a deterrent, do you want to attack someone with lots of ammo to shoot back?
Well, it is a trick to barter with people you trust. I trust my mother, everyone else is suspect. I will barter, but not ammo, or anything else which could do harm to my pack, and me. I have no real friends, but I'm sure if I were to tell people what I do on my property in the local area, I will have several so-called friends come a calling because of their inability/ineptness to prepare for possible emergencies. Myself, I won't be attacking anyone, and if I do, I won't go in blind, plus this would mean I left my haven, and left it unsecure.
I plan on hunkering down, and treating anyone who comes to my property as an adversary until proven otherwise.
It's the way it will be, my wellbeing, and everyone, and everything in my realm of existence is what will be important.
Did you know the wicked government can seize your assets during a time of emergency for their pleasure, and the greater good (socialism)? Another reason to keep a reserved low profile.
My family is not even aware of what I do. They know I ride my bike, they know I have my pups, and that's about it. Everything else they think they know is just what they perceive by my silence.
Enough of my early morning dribble.
 

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Well, it is a trick to barter with people you trust. I trust my mother, everyone else is suspect. I will barter, but not ammo, or anything else which could do harm to my pack, and me. I have no real friends, but I'm sure if I were to tell people what I do on my property in the local area, I will have several so-called friends come a calling because of their inability/ineptness to prepare for possible emergencies. Myself, I won't be attacking anyone, and if I do, I won't go in blind, plus this would mean I left my haven, and left it unsecure.
I plan on hunkering down, and treating anyone who comes to my property as an adversary until proven otherwise.
It's the way it will be, my wellbeing, and everyone, and everything in my realm of existence is what will be important.
Did you know the wicked government can seize your assets during a time of emergency for their pleasure, and the greater good (socialism)? Another reason to keep a reserved low profile.
My family is not even aware of what I do. They know I ride my bike, they know I have my pups, and that's about it. Everything else they think they know is just what they perceive by my silence.
Enough of my early morning dribble.
No different than bartering food or anything else... they know you have it and will come for it. The difference is if you barter ammo, they know you can actually shoot back...
 

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Not the response that will be liked on this thread but speaking from having to take cover drills under my school desk as a kid and having a father that was heavily armed and ready for the nuclear holocaust back in the early 1960's. Some thoughts gained by that realty.

If we actually have an apocalypse... Having ammo will be a short lived advantage. History shows that it is better to work to keep our world in working ordered than prepare for armageddon, barricades and ammo is not a solution!

Just a thought
 

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I was born in South Florida and lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis - that was the closest point we ever came to war with the Russkies. When the Soviet Union collapsed (which was inevitable since Communism is a completely failed economic system) everybody including me breathed a sigh of relief. However...

For those who find inspiration from the Holy Bible (me included in this group) - "there will be wars and rumor of wars..." so whatever happens in this arena is basically fulfilling prophecy.

So if there's a partial or total meltdown of our society there will be those with no clue what to do and they will suffer in some manner or fashion. This will be an acute problem for the city and urban dwellers as most are probably dependent on the power company, fuel stations, grocery stores and community water. There will be the prey (previously mentioned city/urban people) and the predators. This is of course, at this point, extremely unlikely however (another however) we are living through the slow destruction and mutation of our country as conceived, fought and died for.

So for my wife and me, our choice is to be prepared for a cataclysmic event whatever form that takes. It would be folly to engage state actors (any kind of organized law enforcement) but for scavengers/predators it's game on if we have to defend ourselves and our property.

Being prepared is a state of mind. You recognize this is a thin vernier of civilization and is easily altered. There are hundreds and hundreds of examples of this - looters taking advantage of others from a tornado/hurricane. Then there are the lawless brazingly stealing in broad daylight because of district attorneys somehow believing that criminals don't belong in jail. These DAs are contributing to the destruction of our society and need to be out of a job.

As a parting comment, being self sufficient isn't terribly expensive. Food and water for three months and self defense tools - thinking of long guns, handguns, crossbow, etc. Also for the city/urban dwellers an egress plan to a predetermined rural area.

We've experienced a couple of weather situations where you are basically on your own. A hurricane when we lived in central Florida. No power for three days, no grocery stores open and no gasoline/diesel available. Just 18 months ago we had a once in a 100 year event of a terrible ice storm (with snow and sleet) which snapped 4,500 power poles in our small rural coop area. We had no power for 13 days with a low temp of 4F, some in our immediate area had no power for 18 days.
We were very well prepared compared to many in our area. We had plenty of food, had a portable generator and access to water. Even so it was extremely stressful, I lost about 5 pounds of weight. We are even more prepared now thanks to lessons learned in the ice storm. Diesel standby generator and 300 gallons of diesel and an even more robust water supply (we have two deep wells and three water storage tanks.) Also I discovered my boots and gloves were not adequate for single digit temps in snow/ice. I fixed that deficiency.

My goodness, I had no idea this would turn into an essay. Congratulations if you read to the end (y)
 

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I was born in South Florida and lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis - that was the closest point we ever came to war with the Russkies. When the Soviet Union collapsed (which was inevitable since Communism is a completely failed economic system) everybody including me breathed a sigh of relief. However...

For those who find inspiration from the Holy Bible (me included in this group) - "there will be wars and rumor of wars..." so whatever happens in this arena is basically fulfilling prophecy.

So if there's a partial or total meltdown of our society there will be those with no clue what to do and they will suffer in some manner or fashion. This will be an acute problem for the city and urban dwellers as most are probably dependent on the power company, fuel stations, grocery stores and community water. There will be the prey (previously mentioned city/urban people) and the predators. This is of course, at this point, extremely unlikely however (another however) we are living through the slow destruction and mutation of our country as conceived, fought and died for.

So for my wife and me, our choice is to be prepared for a cataclysmic event whatever form that takes. It would be folly to engage state actors (any kind of organized law enforcement) but for scavengers/predators it's game on if we have to defend ourselves and our property.

Being prepared is a state of mind. You recognize this is a thin vernier of civilization and is easily altered. There are hundreds and hundreds of examples of this - looters taking advantage of others from a tornado/hurricane. Then there are the lawless brazingly stealing in broad daylight because of district attorneys somehow believing that criminals don't belong in jail. These DAs are contributing to the destruction of our society and need to be out of a job.

As a parting comment, being self sufficient isn't terribly expensive. Food and water for three months and self defense tools - thinking of long guns, handguns, crossbow, etc. Also for the city/urban dwellers an egress plan to a predetermined rural area.

We've experienced a couple of weather situations where you are basically on your own. A hurricane when we lived in central Florida. No power for three days, no grocery stores open and no gasoline/diesel available. Just 18 months ago we had a once in a 100 year event of a terrible ice storm (with snow and sleet) which snapped 4,500 power poles in our small rural coop area. We had no power for 13 days with a low temp of 4F, some in our immediate area had no power for 18 days.
We were very well prepared compared to many in our area. We had plenty of food, had a portable generator and access to water. Even so it was extremely stressful, I lost about 5 pounds of weight. We are even more prepared now thanks to lessons learned in the ice storm. Diesel standby generator and 300 gallons of diesel and an even more robust water supply (we have two deep wells and three water storage tanks.) Also I discovered my boots and gloves were not adequate for single digit temps in snow/ice. I fixed that deficiency.

My goodness, I had no idea this would turn into an essay. Congratulations if you read to the end (y)

Well said John, My take... Traveling in the back country I have always been prepared as my father and grandfather had before me. On the home front I also have prepared for short term needs if by chance we have storms, earthquakes, range fires, etc. BTW we live near an active fault system and adjacent to wild lands fires so I know of actual threats to my home and community. Will also mention I live in the fall out range of potential volcanic eruptions. These are real threats of potential sudden catastrophes to be prepared for.

Where I part from the current survival mind set is the need to ammo up and stockpile goods for the coming end of our government and end of society. The reason is an understanding that predictions for the apocalyptic end and extinction of humanity and the collapse of civilization have been made since the beginning of civilization. This is a cornerstone of most religions and I don't buy it. Sure civilizations disappear and probably ours too but investing in what we have to keep it going makes more reason to me.
 

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"Prepping" is like gambling - hard core preppers are betting there will be some sort of cataclysmic event - either local or national. Those like you Bob are gambling that society and local government will continue to function and provide all needs.

So there's two outcomes (and sub-outcomes) - society and government continue to function and the other is society and government breakdown. The sub-outcomes are some sort of weather event like hurricanes snow/ice, etc but those are really a different category.

  • For the prepper if society continues to function, that's good. The worst outcome is survival food expires. Firearms and ammo really don't expire and retain value.
  • For those who choose to not prepare for a government/society breakdown and you bet wrong, imagine the outcome.

For myself, being prepared provides peace of mind - sort of like buying home insurance if you own your home free and clear. I do not think society will meltdown in the few years I have left on the earth so our 'prepping' is more focused on weather events causing a cutoff from grocery stores, fuel and power. Since we are rural it's even more important to hoard essentials. Most of my rural neighbors are of the same mindset.
 

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I have a 250 gallon water tank I use to cool the condenser on my thermal reactor. I put a bottle of the RV water stabilizer in it. I don't know if it will do anything for algae growth, but with winter coming on the algae won't grow, so I'm good for a few months.
 

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Speaking of accidence and the lord... A few hours ago while waiting for new tires to be mounted on my Jeep I was hit by a car while crossing a street in a crosswalk. Looked both ways and no cars, started across and a guy came flying out of a stores parking lot exit. He turned into me about mid way, in an instant jumped back but he clipped me. My jump saved me from being run over but I was thrown back into the road divider on my back. I was stunned for awhile. Now back from the emergency room with bruised kidney and various scrapes, hematomas and bruises. The driver got 2 citations. Well what to say but good reflexes saved me from a bad driver. A crowd of people came to my assistance and helped me off the road. The cops came quick as did the fire department paramedics and ambulance. So what does this have to do with ammo? Nothing but we still have a society in place and hope it stays that way. Excuse the off subject comment just re-read those by John and Wildrat and this is what came to me since I am still alive after a close call.
 

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Glad you're OK Bob. You never know when something like this can happen. Sounds like it could have been worse, definitely something to thank God for
 

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Wow and wow Bob! We're so happy your reflexes kicked in and you're here on ROF! The perp should pay all of your accident related expenses and pain and suffering. At my age I might have just been run over :whistle:
 

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Up date, I have lots of ammo and reloading stuff in my gun case. My son is the hunter now and has a reloading bench and a friend that has worked with him to have perfected long distance loads. He still prefers archery but is a good rifleman and bagged a caribou in Alaska with his 300 last fall and then had to defend it against grizzles looking for and easy meal.

As to my accident noted in the above posts I'm improving but have physical issues.

A friend recommended an attorney to deal with the accident insurance company. That seems to be the right thing to do. The insurance company of the driver that hit me called and suggested that the compensation was limited. Typical company response.

I am not one of those that would try to enrich myself by an insurance claim but I have an attorney that is taking this on.
 

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I think you should deal through a lawyer as well in this case. The insurance company has one (or many), its just leveling the playing field.
 

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Glad you are feeling better Bob! You could have easily been paralyzed for life or even killed. The advice about an attorney is spot on - exactly what I would do if in your situation.

I wouldn't retain an ambulance chaser/personal injury lawyer that advertises but a trusted local attorney. Not sure if you've had the pleasure of having to find an attorney in your lifetime (hopefully not) but they are sort of like medical doctors. They specialize in areas of law practice so you might have to shop around to find the right person. Your local bar can probably provide recommendations.

I've been tempted to start reloading but haven't pulled the trigger yet (terrible pun, I know.) I'm going to ask a buddy to experiment reloading subsonic 9mm which is about 30% more expensive than regular.
 

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If I knew who hit me on my bike, I'd have gotten a lawyer and got every penny I could get, no more nice guy here.
I just got back from getting a neck and back MRI done, it was torture. I just took pain, anti-inflammatory, and a muscle relaxer, because I know in an hour or two I will be in further misery.
 
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