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Why didn't Jeep ... ?

With the Jeep LJ being one of the most sought after Wranglers, why didn't Jeep make the 2dr JK or new JL the same wheelbase and internal storage as the LJ? Perhaps this question has been beaten to death but I couldn't find anything. I have LJ lust and trying to get my hands on a LJ tub to convert my TJ. For me at least it seems if Jeep had built the JK or JL 2dr to match the dimensions (length and interior space) of the LJ it would be a better seller.

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Good question Chris. Don't recall ever seeing this discussed before.
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My guess would be to sell more 4 doors.

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Jeep went into a deep coma after 2006 and is just now in 2019 opening its eyes
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LJ's are highly sought after but the reason why they get the high prices are that their isn't that many around. When they were new consumer demand must not have been high enough for dealers to out order them over TJ's.
The four door JK/JL out sells a two door three to one if I remember right. So in order to make a extended two door they would have to drop the short two door. Now imagine what would happen to the internet if you couldn't buy a short Jeep. It would be like the end of the world. Jeepers as a whole are a fickle bunch.

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They did, sorta.

It has been a lot of years since I looked at the actual numbers, but as I recall, the interior volume of the two door JK is not much less than an LJ. I think the two door JK is about a foot longer than a TJ, not much shorter than an LJ. And the JK is wider. And I believe the volume of a JL is slightly bigger than a JK, I know the two door is a couple inches longer anyway. The LJ might have a bit more interior room than a two door JL, but I bet it's not by much.

The wheelbase on the LJ is still about six inches longer than a two door JL though.

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My guess would be to sell more 4 doors.
I dont think a 104" wheelbase 2dr would really have impacted the sales of the 4dr that much. The 4dr would still be more room and better for families.

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Jeep went into a deep coma after 2006 and is just now in 2019 opening its eyes
I think Jeep is still asleep or a least taking the least expensive route. I was really excited when FCA announced they were building a new Gladiator but when they released it and it turned out to just be a JL with a bed i was greatly disappointed. Yes they reengineered a lot of it to be an actual truck, I was hoping it would of had more resemblances to the original gladiator truck than a wrangler. If FCA had made it to resemble the past gladiators i would buy one.

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They did, sorta.

It has been a lot of years since I looked at the actual numbers, but as I recall, the interior volume of the two door JK is not much less than an LJ. I think the two door JK is about a foot longer than a TJ, not much shorter than an LJ. And the JK is wider. And I believe the volume of a JL is slightly bigger than a JK, I know the two door is a couple inches longer anyway. The LJ might have a bit more interior room than a two door JL, but I bet it's not by much.

The wheelbase on the LJ is still about six inches longer than a two door JL though.

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I'll have to go back and look at the numbers as well but when I was looking at 2dr JKs the interior felt just as cramped as my TJ which is why I didnt get one. I didn't want or need a 4dr at the time and the 3.8L was a dog. The point is jeepers have found that the 104" wheelbase of the LJ seems to be the sweet spot for all around wheeling. It just seems that a matching wheelbase for a JK or JL would be marketable.
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I would definitely buy one I'm actually a little discouraged now. I've been to every Jeep dealership within a 50 mile radius. Not a single 2dr Rubicon to be found. I've driven the 4dr and a 2dr but no Rubicons. Its my turn for a new vehicle. I've been patiently waiting.........
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I'll have to go back and look at the numbers as well but when I was looking at 2dr JKs the interior felt just as cramped as my TJ which is why I didnt get one. I didn't want or need a 4dr at the time and the 3.8L was a dog. The point is jeepers have found that the 104" wheelbase of the LJ seems to be the sweet spot for all around wheeling. It just seems that a matching wheelbase for a JK or JL would be marketable.
Marketable? It has to be saleable? We all want that magic wheelbase but we are a very small minority. When someone comes into buy a jeep they don't go buy a Landcruiser because of wheelbase.
This is what I have been thinking about in reference to the Gladiator also. In order for the JT to be a success it has to be able to convert a mid size Canyon or Tacoma owner to Jeep. If you have a JK owner buying one than that isn't a increase because you have them already.
I would've bought a extended 2 door in a flash but because one wasn't available it didn't stop me from buying a four door.
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